With their first round pick (26th overall) in the 2013 NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select Datone Jones, a DE from UCLA.
PLAYER DETAILS:
Datone Jones
DE
UCLA
6’4″/283lbs
CAREER NOTES:
From NFL.com: The graduate of Compton High School stuck around Los Angeles to play college ball after being named a four-star recruit by multiple recruiting services. Datone (pronounced DAY-tone) played in 10 games, with two starts, as a true freshman in 2008 (credited with 17 tackles) before starting every game the following year while racking up 11 tackles for loss and four sacks (including one in the team’s EagleBank Bowl win over Temple). Unfortunately, Jones missed the entire 2010 season with a fractured right foot suffered in preseason camp. Jones’ statistics were nothing special in 2011 (41 tackles, 6.5 for loss, three sacks as a 14-game starter), and he wasn’t even named to the All-Pac 12 honorable mention squad by league coaches.
COMBINE:
4.80 40 yard dash, 29 bench, 31.5″ vertical, 112.0″ broad, 7.32 3 cone, 4.32 shuttle
SCOUTING REPORT: (from our own Jason Perone)
- Has a good initial move. Quick burst, powerful
- Uses hands effectively but will initially have issues disengaging NFL O-linemen
- Can get downfield and pursues well
- Has a good motor and his initial burst can get him into the backfield
- Lacks ideal size for a 3-4 DL. Will need to add some weight
- As with many college defensive prospect, overruns the play, taking himself out of it
COMMENTARY:
Great pick by the Packers, as I’ve written about in the past, dominant 3-4 defenses feature a star defense end and a star safety. Just think of Haloti Ngata in Baltimore, JJ Watt in Houston, Justin Smith in San Francisco and Calais Campbell in Arizona. One of the ALLGBP.com staff’s favorites, we had predicted Jones to be gone before the Packers got the chance to pick, so this is great value for Ted Thompson. Jones has the ability to add more weight to his frame (who happens now to be the tallest defensive linemen on the Packers squad) and be both a dominant pass rusher as well as run stopper. Until then, Jones makes the defensive end rotation much stronger now with Mike Neal, CJ Wilson and Jerel Worthy.
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I absolutely could NOT be happier!!! This really was probably the best pick the Packers could have hoped for at 26. I have been saying all offseason long that the biggest need is easily a pass rushing DE, and they got one!
Forgive me for wanting need over talent, but this pick alone could potentially turn that defense around IMO. Go Pack!
I agree, I’m just happy the Packers didn’t pick an offensive tackle.
…or Teo.
Or Ogletree
Passes the eyeball test – good physique. Maybe the D line gets a lot more ‘Jet’ calls now they are starting to get players who can disrupt the timing of enemy QBs.
The only downsides of this pick are a major foot injury and Pickett is still 33 with no replacement…Yet… Theres a lot of blog chatter about jones being too light. Against most of the offensives, shouldn’t be an issue. He’s not Jamal Reynolds. But we will have to see how he does against large athletic olines like sf and the giants …. all in all, good pick at 26, especially if we can get a tank in the next couple rounds to replace Pickett.
Another undersized D-Lineman. We just drafted Daniels last year. All this talk about getting bigger and longer and faster was just talk! There were DT’s like Sylvester Williams who could actually hold the point of attack! In case you haven’t noticed, both teams in the Super Bowl were running teams! But all TT does is whiff on supposed pass rushers that are 280lbs.
huh? Mike Daniels is 6’0″ Jones is 6’4″. He will easily put on 15 lbs. He’s better than Sylvester Williams… wait and see…
And from the NFL Scouting report: ”
As soon as Jones stepped on the practice field for the first scrimmages, he showed off his excellent short-area burst coming off the edge, winning almost all of his one-on-one battles with strength and quickness at the point of attack. Because he had lined up all over the defensive line in college, his scheme versatility made him an attractive prospect for hybrid defenses in the National Football League…. He has very good balance, body control and quickness off the snap. He also demonstrates impressive leverage strength and a solid frame. He displays proper knee bend when pass rushing off the edge and the burst to close on the quarterback. He also uses his long arms effectively to reach and separate.”
So he’s 4 inches taller, he’s very, very light for a 3/4 end. So he will put on 15 lbs. And he won’t slow down? Oh good, first we have to put weight on him, then we have to see if he can actually hold the point of attack. Sounds like another reach!
Winning off the snap… You mean like Worthy did and Daniel did?
Looking at his physique he looks like he’s about maxed out. I don’t see another 20 lb on his frame.
Being 6’4 is fine, but its doesn’t make him long. His short arms are gonna be a major problem disengaging from OT that have 33+ in arms.
Sly Williams was 30 lbs heavier and his arms are over an inch longer. And Kawann Short has 35 in arms. Now that’s long!
Jones is completely redundant w/ Neal, Worthy and Daniels! Trying to say he’s gonna be a dominant 34 DE, just cuz he played some 34 DE is a major mistake.
You are aware that Justin Smith has the EXACT same weight/height than Jones, right?
I’m not commenting on talent, I haven’t watched any Bruins games to say. The video posted (against USC) didn’t amuse me at all, seemed slow to react and not strong enough to overpower anyone. Yet almost every scouting report states that this kid is amazingly strong, has good burst and motor.
But too short? Too light? Maxed out frame? I can’t comprehend how anyone can affirm that.
Justin Smith is maniacal on and off the field. He plays w/ an extreme intensity and trains the same way. He used to weigh 300 and he adapted and added training w/ Navy Seals to his already rigorous strength training. That along w/ his maniacal intensity allows him to succeed at 285. Smith is the exception to the rule and nothing I’ve seen or read points to Jones being nearly as intense.
Don’t count on Jones being any Justin Smith/JJ Watt! I hope like hell I’m wrong but I don’t see they hype w/ this guy.
You’re supposing. That’s the whole problem with your logic.
You say it’s not possible for a player of his weight to succeed.
I provided an example of the contrary.
And you are completely off base. Smith was listed at 267, not at 280. Guess what? He gained weight later on.
Oh, and about strenght? Smith bench pressed 225 26 times. Jones? 29 times.
I’m not saying he’s going to be Justin Smith. But your arguments are based on absolutely nothing. Saying from your chair that he has maxed his frame and that he’s too light and has too short of arms to play at an elite level is complete BS.
source: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=60490&draftyear=2001&genpos=DE
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83250&draftyear=2013&genpos=DE
Annoyed with myself that I changed my pick from Jones to Jesse Williams in my mock, but still AWESOMELY HAPPY!
Why? Another small DE! That’s just great.
We couldn’t stop Peterson last year, and then the 49ers ran for over 300 yards. So we get a small end?
Linebackers play just as big as a role in stopping the run as the defensive line does. Bishop and Perry will be back next year. And this draft aint over yet.
Stopping the run starts w/ the DL. Everyone complains cuz Hawk cant get off blocks, but Jones is gonna have major issues w/ exactly that!
Oh for crying out loud, you are seriously over reacting bud! Yes, the run is important, but the No. 1 priority for every defense is rushing the passer and that’s what the Packers will be able to do now. Even if what you say is true, the only thing the opposing teams will be able to do is run, and that’s just not enough.
So unless you’re saying you expect every team to be able to do what the 49er’s did against us, which is obviously ridiculous, then you are just completing overreacting. Get a hold of yourself, we’re gonna be fine!
Oh for crying out loud. IF you don’t believe me go ask any football coach who’ more impotant to stopping the run! How is Jones a better pass rusher than Nal, Worthy or Daniels? I certainly don’t see it from watching his “highlites”.
Jones is now the tallest Defensive linemen in the roster, also keep in mind at some point when players get too tall they lose explosiveness, physiology 101
I should mention JJ Watt is 6’5″ 295 lbs, which is pretty comparable to 6’4″, 283lbs
Really? Tell that to Ted Hendricks!
Watt had played DT all thru his college years. Everybody knew he was tremendously strong. Jones is an outside player. Another one who’ll get pushed around on running plays!
This still a passing league and Jones will quickly become our best interior rusher.
He also looks stronger than he weighs so don’t count out against the run.
In this passing league, the Super Bowl as played by teams that run a lot.
As a matter of fact the 49ers ran the ball 60% of the time last year!
JJ Watt started out in college as a tight end
JJ Watt has an intensity (like Justin Smith) that Jones doesn’t have. Watt and Smith are maniacal, Jones isn’t nearly as intense a competitor.
Watt started as a TE and played DE mostly through his college time at Wisconsin.
Jones 6’4 32 3/4 in arm length.
Daniels 6’0 32 in arm length.
Worthy 6’2 33 in arm length.
Neal 6’3 33 1’2 in arm length.
Jones isn’t long and he isn’t big. And from my perspective as a former Strength and Conditioning Coach he looks pretty maxed out. Maybe another 1 lbs if he’s lucky.
That would make him 6’4 295
Daniels 60 290 but w/ arms basically the same length
Worthy 6’2 300 bigger and slightly longer.
Neal 6’3 294 33 12 in arms.
Like I said Jones is completely redundant and doest make us bigger, tougher or more physical.
A sub-package with Worthy, Neal, Jones on the line and Perry and Matthews rushing from outside. That could be a simply awesome pass rush before too long.
I think Stroh is too obsessed with weight and arm length. Jones has big strong hands and is very good at using them, which counts for a lot in trench battles. He wins battles when he keeps consistently low (that should improve with coaching).
The game is evolving into one where you need more athleticism at end, even in the 3-4. It is telling that TT picked Jones over the heavier but less athletic Sylvester Williams.
Bottom line, watch his battles with Fisher at the Senior Bowl….then watch how everyone else fared against Fisher, Jones put him under more pressure than anyone else.
I watched his film highlites. Jones just doesn’t show up and dominate. He makes plays that are easy, but I didn’t see him make any plays where he dominated the guy across from him and then made a play. A lot of unblocked plays from what I saw that won’t happen in the NFL. I go out of my way to make sure I don’t go just by measurable and make sure his play is overriding his measurables. Jones already has trouble disengaging in college, that’s not going to get better in the NFL!
Measurables only get you so far. It’s how he handles himself on the field that matters. He’s clearly quicker than any of those guys who I also consider to be redundant ends.
Whatever the case, he’s giving the Packers another interior rush option on passing downs.
Maybe there’s something the Packers know about Johnny Jolly that we don’t…because Jolly IS that 3-4 base end we’re talking about.
I think marques had Jones in one of his mock drafts
Marques did have Jones in his mock draft.
i think i have to give marques props for alerting me to Jones months ago
Scott, Daniels is short for his position. Jones isn’t. He has a frame to add weight. Simple.
So in 2 or 3 years he’ll be ready to play DE in a 3/4?
I agree. They want to get bigger and tougher and they take a guy that’s 284 and is Now the SMALLEST DL on the roster?! Looking at Jones from a Strength and Conditioning perspective, he looks like he’s already as big as he can get. His legs and hips look maxed out
And please don’t try to tell me that Jones is gonna be like JJ Watt or Ngata! I watch tape too, he just doesn’t look like a man among boys like Ngata, nor does he have the intersity of Watt. He looks like just another guy he didn’t stand out from what I could see! He’s had talen his entire career why didn’t he show up and make some plays till he was a SR?
You can get tougher without necessarily getting bigger.
Given that the Packers tend to play games where they force the opposition to try to score with them, having rotating DL and guys who can get upfield seems to be a higher priority.
The Packer D has seemed to be predicated on forcing turnovers in recent years and not so much on being a brick wall.
Having said this:
“You can get tougher without necessarily getting bigger”
I’m not sure that Jones brings the swagger you would want to establish that.
You can’t be seriously comparing Jones to Ngata or even JJ Watt! That’s utterly ridiculous! I hope like hell I’m wrong, but I just don’t see it?! They say they want to get bigger and longer at DE and they take the smallish DE w/ SHORT arms. Makes no sense to me.
Mike Neal 6’3 294?
Mike Daniel 6’0 295
Jerel Worthy 6’2 300
Datone Jones 6’4 (short 6’4 w/ only 32 in arms)
How many of the same damn player do you need? Jones is about as redundant as you can get. Even if he gains 15 lbs he’s the same player all over again.
IMO the reached for the player that was safe becuz he played some 34 DE, not to get the better player.
Gotta hope they get Nick Williams now. At least he’s 6’5 310 and as athletic as Jones.
I’m going to faint, I actually agree with you Stroh.
Same here.
Get more of the same sort of guys, get more of the same kind of play. Not expecting much from this guy.
actually i didn’t compare him to anyone, I said the dominant 3-4 defenses feature a star defensive end. I seriously hope he does become one of those players, but I’m definitely not going to crown him just yet.
SO you didn’t compare him… WHere did you see him look like a man among boys? WHere did you see an enormous amount of intensity? Hell I watched film too, he just never stood out! I give Neal and Worthy as good a chance of being dominant as I do Jones. Just cuz he played some 34 DE doesn’t mean he is gonna be a dominant 34 DE.
I hope like Hell, I’m wrong, but I don’t see ANYTHING dominant about him… Nothing!
I didn’t say any of those things actually, but I might if it keeps you commenting 😀
Dantone Jones is the next REGGIE WHITE!!!!!!!!!!!
Your commentary on Jones… “Great pick by the Packers, as I’ve written about in the past, dominant 3-4 defenses feature a star defense end and a star safety. Just think of Haloti Ngata in Baltimore, JJ Watt in Houston, Justin Smith in San Francisco and Calais Campbell in Arizona.”
Maybe not a direct comparison but it was certainly implying he be able to play like them. Otherwise you could have thrown out more non-descript names.
I think you need to take a step back and READ that statement again. You don’t like the pick and I have no problem with that, but you are letting it cloud your intelligence. No where in the post do I compare Jones to anyone; I haven’t compared Jones to anyone in terms of measurables, talent, experience, positional versatility, college production, anything. Did I say “Jones reminds me of Justin Smith because…”? No, and now you are reaching just to make a point, which ironically I don’t disagree with you on.
You commented on the article I posted that I am referring to so presumably you’ve read it. Ngata, Watt, Smith and Campbell are a big reason why those defenses are great.
But if you really want my opinion on Jones I think he’s a combination of Decon Jones, Reggie White and Warren Sapp. I also see a little Lawrence Taylor in him as well.
Mike Neal and Mike Daniels are nowhere near being “the same damn player” as Jerel Worthy.
Not. Even. Close.
Datone Jones doesn’t play like ANY of them. You can draw a comparison to Worthy’s quickness off the ball, but that’s about it.
Only thing holding Neal back from being as good as Jones is injuries! He get past those and he has as good a chance to become a playmaker.
Only Worthys quickness off the ball? So we’re looking at 10 yard splits right?
Worthy 1.77 10 split
Jones 1.61 10 split
Neal 1.60 10 split
Daniels at 291 lbs, couldn’t find a 10 split but his official 40 was 4.84, only slightly behind Jones.
Like I said, only thing holding Neal back from being every bit as good as Jones is injuries. He played last 12 games last year w/o and started to play the way he looked as a rookie.
In general, I agree with you on Neal, I see a lot of similarities, one being that Neal and Jones are both RIPPED, unlike Raji and Worthy. I had high hopes for Neal after seeing what he did agianst the Redskins as a rookie. Hope he’s 100% healthy and is able to get back on that track…
aha, here’s the problem:
You judge football players, and make comparisons between them, based almost exclusively on their combine results and measurables.
The rest of us judge football players, and make comparisons between them, based almost exclusively on their ability to play football, on a football field, against other football players, during football games.
The numbers are interesting, and they certainly help you gain an idea of a players’ athleticism, but they don’t speak a lick as to how a player actually plays the game.
This is precisely why you think Mike Neal is the same guy as Mike Daniels is the same guy as Jerel Worthy is the same guy as Datone Jones..
And it’s exactly why those of us who watch football as opposed to reading numbers on a page can tell you these guys share very little in common with one another as it pertains to playing football outside of dimensions.
I like the pick. Packers will have a top 3 overall pash rush next season. I would like to see either a roadgrader O-line or a complete rb with the next pick.
Brian, It won’t matter because they won’t be able to stop the run! After the first round, the Packers are no better than they were.
Remember that Worthy and Daniels were going to improve the pass rush. How did that work out?
Didn’t like either one of those guys for Green Bay. I like Jones.
I’ve seen tapes on Jones as well. He looks good, but that’s against very average competition. He played against 2 good teams, Stanford and Oregon.
Stroh, glad you got a resume…but where does that put your opinion relative to the Packers GM and coaching staff who did pick Jones? I do appreciate your assessment of his physique and perhaps inability to grow or develop….but players can’t be predicted simply by pounds, inches. Even if redundant pick as you say…its a good rotation, and allows fresh bodies, good competition on that D-line. I’m pleased…even though I would have preferred Syl.Williams
It puts it ahead of yours and about anyone else on THIS site!
He was also dominant in the senior bowl…
What kind of supporting cast did he have at UCLA? Meh. I would expect a good player on a team with average talent to be the focus of a good to excellent opponent and that they’ll be able to hold him in check.
The fact that he did look good against lesser competition is just as important. If he had a tendency to disappear against lesser opponents, that would be cause for concern.
I don’t want to get on the wrong page w/ you here, Al. But your blogger, not some kinda expert, and your opinion is no more valid than most any of the others here. I’d be happy to put my track record against yours in comparison. And as a former S and C Coach w/ a degree in Ex Phys, who worked w/ athletes I think I have a definite advantage knowing athletes.
You are kinda a dick.
I’ve seen that thought posted before. Kind of becoming a trend.
Let’s not go this way in our comments.
And that’s why I depend on the opinions of real experts like the head of NFL scouting services over you or anyone else. The only problem with your comments, Stroh, is you come off like your opinion is the only one that can possibly be right. I think that grates on a lot of people.
Even so, I’m not going to tell you your opinion is wrong, I’m just going to disagree. Like I did when you were touting that Jerry Hughes would be the next dynamic rush linebacker in the NFL.
lol I was waiting for someone to drop the Hughes bomb
Hughes got forced into a 43 scheme. We’ll never know how good a 34 OLB he could have been and its too late now.
Jerry Hughes was a 3-4 outside linebacker last year and it’s not like he lit the world on fire. Either way it’s a bad sign when even the GM who picked you admits it was a terrible choice
Usually takes a couple years to learn to play OLB. Especially after being a college DE, like most 34 OLB were. That’s why the Steelers give try to give them 2 full years to learn to play standing up instead of with your hand in the dirt. Standing up you have to learn to process a lot more info in a short time. At DE you just focus on the OT for the most part. Kampman said as much too. That’s why I said it was too late.
But your right I missed on him as an NFL player, I thought if there was a team that he could play well on it was INDY due to them using Freeney and Mathis as very undersized DE’s and little more than speed rushers. Hughes never got near their level. 34 OLB is the most difficult position to project at the pro level and IMO its due to the amount of info the have to process quickly.
I am wrong more than my share and I’m not a scout. Even the best Scouts/GM miss at least as often as they hit.
I wouldn’t say “as often,” but your point is understood. Having said that, the guy I converse with has 40+ yrs of scouting experience. He gave me Cobb, Sherrod, Hayward and others. When he talks, I listen.
You mean like the “experts” at DraftTek? That have journalism degree. Not sure that qualifies them. Having a website doesn’t make them more of an expert than you, and not me either.
While there are some NFL experts there, that’s not what I meant at all. I often disagree with the overall player rankings there, but I don’t do the Big Board. Not that that matters, That’s just a fun thing for me to participate in. I’m talking about a couple of guys who have been scouting as long as I’ve been watching football. They have a soft spot for Packers fans (have actually found that among many scouting-type people I talk to) and are nice enough to share some privileged info with me. And that’s all I’m going tom say…
To follow this logic, the only ones credible in judging a dog show would be dogs.
…and how do you figure the winner? Total number of butt-sniffs?
Stroh, because you do have this kind of background (which I don’t have), I respect your opinion on these guys, physically.
Just because a guy is muscled out and looks the part doesn’t mean he plays with leverage and good technique, either. He can still play soft. My opinion based on the limited clips I’ve seen is that Jones is a one-trick pony: he plays upfield. Great in that it’s the first step in cutting down opposing running games (playing in their backfield) but also a liability in that he’ll get pushed out of plays and lost in misdirection.
The next question is, what’s in their heads and what makes them tick? My hope is that the Packers are comfortable with this aspect of his game and feel he’ll be a high-intensity guy in the NFL. This was a question with Worthy.
I’m sure he plays hard. I dont’ doubt that, but at that size I would say that he needs to play w/ a hyper-intensity a la Watt or Justin Smith and I don’t see THAT kinda intensity.
Wotthy had issues taking plays off, so that’s a legit concern w/ him. Jones doesn’t seem to take plays off, but he’s not hyper-intense either.
BTW my minor in college was psychology and I took a couple classes in the Psychology of Sport and Exercise.
My minor was Math…I could balance my checkbook before and can still balance my checkbook now. 😉
I hope that’s a joke.
That explains why you’re such a people person!
I agree with you on the Jones pick, but i agree because i think your assessment of his college play is accurate, not because you have such and such a credential. Sorry, but no one cares about that.
I think that the 2 starting OLB will be good against the run. Also Bishop can handle the middle of the run defense. All the line has to do on run downs is fill some holes.
CMIII is almost exclusively a pass rusher. And the other is coming off IR. And he wasn’t very impressive beforehand. Now he’s the one they should have had gain weight. He has really good speed But playing OLB, you also need quickness. And he didn’t have it.
You are wrong about CM3. Go look at Pro Football Focus’ grades against the run. Clay is the best OLB in the league. Period.
CMII IS almost exclusively a pass rusher. That’s a fact. PFF may say he’s the best, so what. I didn’t say he wasn’t. I just said he rushes the passer almost all the time.
Disagree here… Just cuz Matthews is needed so badly to be a pass rusher doesn’t mean he isn’t among the best run stopping OLB, not to mention he can drop and cover very well.
Good sir, have you watched CMIII play? He is exceptional vs. the run, teams run away from Clay as much as they can. He is a complete LB, not just a pass rush specialist.
“Spill it Pickett, spill it”
CM3 – Start of 4th quarter Superbowl 45.
Do you know what happened then Scott???
“CMIII is almost exclusively a pass rusher.”
Oh my God, it’s one after the other. Congratulations, Scott!
I had my doubts of this pick, but if you didn’t like it, it must’ve been great, seeing as you manage to be wrong at every single comment you make.
Really, I guess that I’m just not cut out to be a suckup like you!
CMIII, when he’s not being asked to drop, is always playing upfield. This is why teams run away from him.
The Packers were 4th in sacks… That’s how it worked out, genius.
lol, Great to see you, PackersRS. It’s been a while.
Thanks, Oppy. Busy year. Better work in the offseason. But you’re probably going to see less of me this year. Quality over quantity, amirite?
Shouldn’t you be on a viqueens website talking about how great it was too get 3 first round picks and how Christian Ponder is the second comming of Joe Montana.
Brian, Just what is wrong with you? Someone doesn’t agree with you, so he’s a Viking fan? I forgot, we’re all suppose to agree with you.
A good friend of mine from grad school is a Vikes fan, and we were chatting through the draft last night.
He and I agree: the first two #1s were good solid picks for their D, but they WAY overpaid for Patterson. I was all but snickering up my sleeve at that one.
Im glad we took a DE, now it just comes down to did we take the right one? John Gruden is high on jones. Jim mora jr says he’ll be a better pro then college player. Might take a year or two before he hits his potential. Need to sign him to a 5 year rookie contract so he doesn’t bolt the team early.
Well said. Like he can’t dis-engage OL because of an inch of wingspan. Seems like a doom-gloom crowd here.
Wasn’t this the big knock on Bryan Bulaga? He’s been doing pretty okay for a guy doomed to fail at the pro level due to T-rex arms.
“He’s been doing pretty okay for a guy doomed to fail at the pro level due to T-rex arms.”
Ha! T-rex arms! I’ll have to remember that one!
If this guy shows potential, they’ll extend him before he gets out of the second year of his rookie deal, just to make sure they can get him at a reasonable price for a while.
Strength & conditioning isn’t the entirety of football. All I see is a bunch of whining about an inch and a couple pounds. Chill out and let the professionals do their work.
Pro football weekly’s draft magazine has Jones as the no1 5 technique DE in the draft, for what it’s worth.
Jesus effing C!
Stroh, get over yourself. So you coached a little at bum-fuck prep, big effing deal! I’m just gonna call a spade a spade here, because I’ve heard enough… If you were half the talent evaluator you purport yourself to be you wouldn’t be on these boards.. cuz, ya know… You’d be getting paid to make these assessments.
You speak in such absolutes and certainties, that I, personally, can’t take a word you write serious. You have an opinion, so does everybody else that comes here… The only difference is, most of us realize we don’t know shit and just like to throw our takes out there, you unfortunately take yourself waaaay too serious, as I’ve said before, you’re the only one.
Jones = solid pick @ 26.
Per Mayock: Jones was the only guy to consistently OWN Fisher during senior bowl practices.
Sorry Stroh, but I’m gonna lean towards siding with Mike… Just barely though, guy. Lmao.
GBP 4 LIFE
Fitz,
Thanks for lighting this dick up. I was going to do the same thing a couple of days ago, but in the spirit of generosity I declined. Now I regret that choice.
I don’t put in doubt his knowledge of strenght and conditioning.
I certainly put in doubt his ability to judge someone HE HAS NEVER SEEN WITHOUT A SHIRT ON, LET ALONE SEEN IN PERSON.
CAPS LOCK!!!111
“Jones = solid pick @ 26.”
I have my reservations since there were others on the board that would also address needs.
I consoled myself by saying that they must not have had a trade-down partner.
I wish the Vikes would’ve thrown that mess of picks at the Packers, although the later #2 would have been a little far down.
I speak my opinion on here just like everyone does and I’m hardly the only one who speaks in absolutes about what they think! Get over your own damn self!!
You are one of the only that treats in absolute terms without any kind of valid basis to support the claims…
Thus why so many people are annoyed by you.
Want to talk big? Fine. But back it up with factual data.
Hey Stroh,
I’m trying to improve my bench press, what should I do? You are a strength and conditioning coach right? Help a guy out!…..
Don’t do the same thing and expect different results. You have to create plan. Periodization… Look it up and form a plan using it.
Periodization – God I hate professions that invent their own language.Or is just you?
We chemists were happy with “periodic”, but these guys just couldn’t let it stand…
yah but there’s an actual reason for periodicity in chemistry, like electron shells.
Electrons?
I believe that the Packers are looking to team up CM3 with Lines on their left side. If Jones can rush the passer as well as the scouts believe, he and Matthews will create some blocking problems for opposing OL’s. I think he is a good pick. I just hope that he can get in the field and stay healthy. If we can him and Perry and Bishop on the field maybe we can see what kind of defense we really have this season. Thanks, Since ’61
If only Stroh was available to help stem the tide of Packer injuries. He is a strength and conditioning coach you know. Maybe jersey al can put in a good word for him with TT. Super bowl victory, here we come! Stroh is on the job. … I don’t know about the rest of you but I feel better. GoPack!
Ps. Time will tell but I love the pick of Jones.
“Time will tell but I love the pick of Jones.”
I’m only lukewarm on Jones. I feel that he’s miscast, somewhat, but I’m hoping there’s more to this than we’re seeing.
If we’re going to disagree, then just disagree, however vehemently you choose to do so.
But let’s not degenerate to chippy name-calling. This isn’t a Bears board, after all.
Because even the Bears boards still suck…
Well you saw what they did….
Whenever the Bears come up, I have a desire to start a “Curtis Enis” chant. They rarely disappoint.
Ha Ha ha , what a riot! Even in a part time basis he makes our D better. I like that he’s a high character player with a great motor.
Worst case he displaces a lesser player and the line at least gets younger and deeper. OK…worst case, well, someone else has already invoked the name of Jamal Reynolds on this board.
Best case, he’s a solid player against the run and an upfield pass rusher that can change games.
I agree: I’ve always liked the fact that TT places a premium on character.
From Dom Capers:
On being an inside rusher
He’s athletic and he’s long, so he moves with ease. I think that he’ll be able to give us rush inside. In our 3-4, he can play out at defensive end and he can be an inside player and do a good job against both the run and the pass inside.
On importance of height:
It’s important. If you’re drawing up a defensive end, you’d like to have a guy with his kind of height and length. It was one of the things that was appealing to us.
Can he put on more weight:
I think he has a big frame. He’s a very lean guy when you see him. I don’t know what his percent body fat is but he didn’t have a lot of excess. I think he’s one of those guys that, just the natural progression, that he’ll be able to put on weight.
Thanks for the insight Al. Not sure it’s going to satisfy the Site contrarians though. They, of course, know so mcuh more than the guys who do it for a living.
Hell, one of them doesn’t know the difference betwee a real scout and a jounalist pretending to know what he’s talking about. As I witnessed in your responce to him.
I’d like to see them give a little more effort to solidify the Oline but I sure as hell can’t tell them who. The best I can do is give them the demensions. A very big, fast guy who eats nails and kicks dogs would do nicely.
Just what in TT’s drafting for the last 7 years, gives you guys all this confidence? He’s had all this time, and God knows how many draft choices on both lines. And both lines have been the weakness of this team for YEARS! We heard last year, after he drafted a couple of D-Linemen, how much better they will be because the talent he drafted. The only D-Lineman he has drafted that is any good is Raji. And he’s not that good. The rest are just guys. And he’s been doing it for years. He drafts undersized linemen, then everybody on these boards say, in unison, that he’ll put on weight and be the guy! And it NEVER happens! It’s getting a little old listening to everybody say how great TT is at drafting. He can draft WR’s and DB’s. He’s very good at those. The only lineman he’s drafted that’s actually really good is Sitton. Bulaga hasn’t done enough. His first year was a disaster, his second was good, and last year he got owned right out of the gate. And as soon as we played average teams, he played better. Then he broke his hip.