Cory’s Corner: The sooner the better in honoring Brett Favre

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Time does heal all wounds.

In a recent interview with SiriusXM NFL Radio, Brett Favre wasn’t short about his former employer and he didn’t make any demands about the future.

Brett Favre has proven time can heal wounds. The Packers need to speed up the process to honor one of the all-time greats.
Brett Favre has proven time can heal wounds. The Packers need to speed up the process to honor one of the all-time greats.

He was refreshingly honest.

‘Time heals a lot of things, and I think in this case, you’re playing for the rival team, things are going to change,” Favre said. “There’s no better history than there is in Green Bay – the tradition, and people love their team there, and they usually hate the other team. So when you join their opponent, that’s going to happen.”

It seems like the time spent pumping iron has cleared Favre’s mind.

Remember when Favre “retired” in the spring of 2008, things became a little sticky with him and Ted Thompson after Favre asked for an unconditional release so he could play for another team. He also was a guest on the Fox News Channel show “On The Record with Greta Van Susteren,” where he said the Packers were dishonest with him.

Obviously, no matter how you feel about Favre, he deserves to be honored by the Packers. He is the only player to win the AP MVP award three straight times and he owns eight major passing records including career passing touchdowns (508) and career passing yards (71,838).

It’s also interesting that Favre was asked about Aaron Rodgers. It has been widely reported that Favre wasn’t ready to write a how-to book on mentoring when the Packers drafted Rodgers in 2005.

“I’m no idiot, I know that there’s always someone who’s going to replace you,” said Favre. “The fact he was drafted in the first round, it was time for him to give it a shot. When I did retire, he became that guy. I understand that. I have no ill feelings or animosity towards Aaron. In fact, I thought we got along well. We watched tons of film together to help him along the way.”

If they got along so well, why didn’t Favre speak up when Rodgers’ car was getting keyed in the player’s lot? Why didn’t Favre say anything about the alarming boos that Rodgers received when he set foot on the practice field in 2008?

But, Favre was transparent. This was the guy that everyone wanted to hang around and wanted a piece of and now he has become ever more disconnected.

“But obviously we all know how good of a player Aaron is and I’ll be the first to say it – the guy is tremendous player, Favre said. “He should have a long, long career barring injury. I can’t speak for Aaron. Do we talk all the time? No, we don’t, but do I talk to most guys I played with? No, I don’t. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, and I’m not surprised how well he’s played.”

Favre has been through a lot in his career. Much of it is self-induced, like his drinking binges in Appleton and Vicodin addiction. But the reason that he is beloved is because of things that he cannot control, like how he responded and played a day after his father died of a heart attack or stroke. His play didn’t fall off him when his wife Deanna was diagnosed with breast cancer and he didn’t give a woe is me speech when Hurricane Katrina damaged his home.

It’s easy for people to identity with Favre because everything that he has been through, makes him just like most guys in America.

Which is why he will ultimately be revered when he is etched into the Ring of Honor. Fans grumbled when Favre went across the border and nearly gave the Vikings a Super Bowl appearance.

But he was and always will be a Packer and it’s time for young Packers’ fans to get reacquainted with the guy they may have never seen in a green and gold jersey.

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Cory Jennerjohn is from Wisconsin and has been in sports media for over 10 years. To contact Cory e-mail him at jeobs -at- yahoo.com or follow him on Twitter: Cory Jennerjohn

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  • http://jersyal.com tim

    Brett certainly deserves the highest honors the packers can bestow. Too bad how things ended in green bay for him and the fans. Green bay has been a team where the players are idolized, more so than other places -maybe too much so. Brett was a savior for a franchise which sucked and hadn’t seen a quarterback of his stature since Bart Starr. It has to be really the pinnacle to be a performer at the top of his field in the limelight in green bay. Brett’s light will never be as bright as it could have been because of the sour departure and his quick replacement by someone who was as good as he was. A lot of what happened with Brett at the wheel is now just old news. Too bad for fans and him. His relative place in packer lore won’t be what it could have.

  • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

    Time may heal wounds, but it doesn’t cure cancer. Poll after poll indicates that about 30% of the fan base doesn’t think this guy deserves this. You essentially say “He deserves to have his number retired for the same reason(s) that he deserves the HOF”. They aren’t the same thing. The HOF recognizes exceptional careers; getting your number retired is an honor reserved for people whose contributions to the organization are above and beyond.

    He deserves the HOF. He deserves the Packer HOF. But a person who has acted so dishonorably towards an organization doesn’t deserve the highest honor that organization can bestow.

    • James David

      White played for the Packers after being a star player for the Eagles. He should be honored by both teams. Favre should also be so honored. Pure B.S. for people like PackerNation using the word “cancer”! Football players who still want to play should NEVER be so dishonored by using such language. Brett was the most exciting player I ever watched play the game. His “iron man” stretch of starting all of those games is the single most impressive stat in football history if not of all of sports.

      • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

        You may not like the word “cancer”, but six years after he’s gone the fan base is still polarized 70-30 on him. That doesn’t sound like a wound to me as much as a disease.

        He lied. Repeatedly. He attempted to hurt the franchise by conspiring with opposing coaches. He attempted to hurt the franchise by planting derogatory stories in the media about the GM. He insulted the fan base by saying 1 year in Minnesota was worth 10 in Green Bay. He dishonored his marriage by sending indecent photos of himself to a girl half his age. He was fined $50K by the Commissioner for not being honest during the investigation.

        This guy deserves the franchise’s highest honor more than Forrest Gregg or Willie Davis? Why? For the same reasons he’s being inducted in the HOF?

  • Mike Sherman

    Terrible, terrible, terrible analogy. Reggie white was a star and was allowed to hit free agency, that’s when u can’t blame a player for taking more money and providing for his family. Favre had his starting job, contract, and thru the team under the bus. He fake retired, tried to screw the team and Rodgers, all because MM and TT didn’t let him skip minicamps and sign whatever player he wanted them to. Then he wouldn’t shut up, after we won the Super Bowl, that ass hole says we should have won sooner. Brett couldn’t burn the bridge any worse other than taking a shit at the 50 yard line. Not a ring of honor guy. Nobody that tries to destroy a franchise like that deserves our highest level of respect. That was a terrible analogy comparing him to Reggie white btw. Favre was a cancer because he tried to destroy the team on his way out, then for years afterwards. Throw in the retirement talk for years before….. Screw that guy. Great player, totall d bag of an individual. Nothing like Reggie white, not a ring of honor guy. Do not retire his #.

  • Magic

    Speaking as a twenty-something, Brett Favre is the reason I fell in love with football. His ability, love of the game, and gunslinger label along with his touchdown celebrations and seeing him constantly interacting with his teammates during games made it truly fun to watch. Without Brett Favre there’s a whole generation of people just like me who can’t name every player on the 90-man roster. Can’t tell you why they’re excited that Adrian Hubbard a UDFA is on the team. Can’t explain the differences between a 3-4 and a 4-3. Brett Favre brought my mother, who previously couldn’t care anything about football, into the folds of the game. Don’t dwell on this stupid silly “breakup” for another second.

    Honor the man.

  • Rossoneri83

    BRETT FAVRE HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE, A GREEN BAY PACKER. Yes, he has done some stupid things. Yes, he has been a jackass at times. Yes, he’s made mistakes I’m sure he regrets. Haven’t we all though?

    I think what would help things — not cure it, but help — is to simply say “I’m sorry.” It’s an emotional payment long overdue.

    What many younger Packer fans forget is the laughing stock the Packers were throughout the 70s and 80s. From 1992-2007, Favre gave us many fond memories of smashing our division rivals, including a Super Bowl win. I refuse to let three forgettable seasons with the Jets and Vikings stain what was a fantastic career as a QB. Brett, despite all of his personal flaws and mistakes, is one of our own. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t stay bitter forever. Let’s bring him home.

  • Tarynfor12

    “If they got along so well, why didn’t Favre speak up when Rodgers’ car was getting keyed in the player’s lot? Why didn’t Favre say anything about the alarming boos that Rodgers received when he set foot on the practice field in 2008?”

    Perhaps Rodgers benefited from not being protected,cuddled and these are some of the things that kept the ‘proverbial chip’on his shoulder and thus won the players and fans over by ‘his play’.

    This brotherhood in football,as to the politically correct saying,”I’ll do what ever I can for the team and if that means losing my job,so be it” is bull crap and proof is when fans use as an argument its hard for these guys to let go of what they been doing for their entire lives.

    Do they resent losing their place regardless of the how or why to another,sure,and Favre is no different then and likely still has some today deep inside.

    Has anyone heard Rodgers say,he doesn’t think Favre should be honored or to an even small degree dismiss Favres’ tenure in the least?Cry whether Favre didn’t accept or help him,stick up for him?

    “It’s his job to come in and be ready,it isn’t my job to teach him.”

    Would anyone really dedicate their time and energy to ensuring someone else gets yours.You’ll do what the company mandates,answer a question on the field,be in the film room together when must…but outside of that,nobody puts their job on a silver platter to give to another…earning something is better.

    Personally,I think the whole fiasco helped Rodgers more than many want to give Favre credit for whether directly or not.

    Lets get this done on Nov 9th vs Chi after the bye week.If doing this during a Viking or Jet game at home is asked from Favre,then the deal is off,since that would be rubbing salt in a wound that needs closure,as he is being honored as a Packer and his days as such..not a Viking or Jet.

  • Archie

    Favre has career record for TOs and 1 yd TD passes. His post-season record was mediocre at best. And he was a cancer at the end of his reign in GB. And he sent univited pics of his dick to women. Count me in the 30% that says ick.

    Switching gears to Packers 2014.

    RB – best and deepest it’s been in a long time

    OL – ditto

    WR – at least as good as its been.

    TE – maybe down a tad w/o JF but lots of potential for development e.g., Bostick, Lyerla and Rodgers.

    QB – AROD is entering his prime and back-up situation is much improved. Tolzein will be the #2 before long.

    Conclusion: Offense is improved and has best depth of Rodgers era.

    GRADE: A to A+

    Defense:

    Secondary – Dix will make us instantly better. As will the return of Hayward. Shields entering prime. Williams returned to form last year after 2 years of off play. Should have another year in him. Depth at S is better with Hyde and Richardson. Major question mark is Burnett. This will be strongest defensive unit and rates B to B+.

    ILB – Hawk and Jones is an abysmal pair. Depth is OK.

    OLB – CMIII is defensive MVP. Perry, Neal, Peppers and Bradford gives depth but is any of them really starter quality? GRADE = D.

    DL – Impossible to diagnose at his point. Too many ifs. I get the feeling Thornton/Boyd will be our NT in 2015, after Raji is cut. Best scenario would be Worthy and Jones emerging this year at DE. Jones still a possibility. Worthy is close to the edge – now or never time is here. If Worthy fails, Thornton and/or Guion could be starters. Keep your eye on progress of Worthy/Jones. We all figure Daniels will continue to provide solid play.

    • Rossoneri83

      I disagree with your view on Favre but that’s fine.

      As far as 2014 Packers situation, I agree with everything but some of the grades on defense.

      OLB I think is at least a C+ or B-. CMIII, along with Peppers, an improved Mike Neal and Nick Perry to me is a B-.

      D-Line — C+ given how horrific the run defense (ranked 26th I believe at the end of the season). However, there is potential there like you note. Question marks all over because Raji is moving back to his traditional NT position, Datone Jones, Josh Boyd and Jerel Worthy may take a big jump this year.

    • Dobber

      “ILB – Hawk and Jones is an abysmal pair. Depth is OK.”

      LOL. Abysmal…with solid abysmal depth.

  • Nick

    It still bothers me when Packer Fans try to diminish what Favre accomplished on the field. He was and is one of the top 10 greatest quarterbacks of all time. He made his fare share of mistakes, but he wouldn’t have been the player he was if he didn’t take those risks.

    There were way more “holy-crap, did you see that pass, how did he get in there!” than there were “why did he throw that there!” Unfortunately the mistakes stand out more because many “fans” are ungrateful haters, who can’t see past the 2008 off-season, and the last 3 years of his career (where at least for two of them he proved that he could still play).

    As to the 1 yd td passes. 1) Does it matter? 2) Go onto you-tube and watch his highlights, tell me most of those amazing TD throws are 1 yard!

    If he gets booed at his number retirement ceremony, it will be the single most shameful moment in the history of the supposedly great Packer fans, and something I don’t know if we will be able to ever live down.

    Time to move on, and show the appreciation he deserves for what he did on the field in the Green and Gold, and what he meant to the history of the Packers.

    • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

      What Favre accomplished on the field was 3 excellent seasons, 1 title, and a decade of general mediocrity punctuated with more big-game meltdowns than any player in history. His touchdown-to-turnover ratio over the last 10 years? 1 to 1. That’s not greatness.

      He also accomplished the polarization of the greatest fan base in the league.

      He was a durable and prolific QB. He was great for a period in the mid 90s. He did not “save the franchise”. He is the biggest big game liability in NFL history and nobody else is even close.

      HOF, yes. Packer HOF, yes. Put his name on the facade with all the other HOFers? Yes. But anybody who acted so dishonorably towards the franchise doesn’t deserve the franchise’s highest honor.

      • http://aljersey duhawks

        I agree. He was a good qb. He wasn’t the best the Packers had. I brlieve that would be Starr. Starr had to know the game because he called his own plays.He didn’t get to have someone upstairs watching and talking to him in his helmet.Rogers will be better then Farve in my eyes. Not only can he pass and read defense he can run. So I believe it’s Starr, Rogers, and Farve in the past 40 years.

  • Since ’61

    Favre should be honored for what he accomplished on the field as a Green Bay Packer, period. He is arguably the best player the Packers have ever had and I’ve seen them all since the early Lombardi days. The end of his time in Green Bay was handled badly by both sides. Yet many of the TT bashers here stick up for TT when it comes to the Favre issues, makes no sense. Of course, the media helped make a circus of it as they do with everything. In any case, he played hard, he played hurt, he played with a revolving door at WR many times, and he always gave us a chance to win. If he wins the 2007 NFC championship against NYG and maybe the SB that year, we’re having a completely different discussion. Honor the man, move on and get over the off field stuff that doesn’t matter any way. Go Pack! Thanks, Since ’61

    • Rossoneri83

      Thank you for speaking some sanity on here. I can’t believe some people are saying “oh, the Favre years were mediocre years.” I don’t know what Kool Aid they’re drinking, but it must be crazy stuff!

    • Gary

      I hated it when Brett joined the dreaded Vikings (Did anyone care when he signed with the Jets?). I hated it when he would throw another interception (If my memory serves me correctly, he is either the all time leader or one of them in interceptions). BUT boy oh boy, I loved his play, courage, heart, perseverance, joy, never give up attitude, and winning. Brett was no choir boy (I suspect there are some in ring that were not choir boys either), but unless he goes OJ, we should enjoy the great memories and put him up there.

    • http://allpackers.com Nick Perry

      Thanks Since ’61 well said, I think several people may not remember what it was like to be a Packers fan in the 70′s and 80′s. Brett Favre helped Green Bay matter in the NFL again.

    • Stroh

      Not sure what you mean by both sides handled it badly? What cuz the Packers didn’t kiss his ass and say yes you can comeback even tho all you’ve done is not be able to make a decision, throw the team, fans, organization and your superiors under the bus.

      The Packers/Thompson/McCarthy handled it perfectly. They only expected him to make a decision and live w/ it. They never said a bad word about him throughout the entire Favre-created drama.

      I don’t hold any ill will toward Favre anymore, but don’t try to tell me that the Packers did anything wrong. They treated him as an adult (which he was) even tho he acted like a perpetual adolescent at best.

    • Stroh

      I’ll give him my courteous applause during the ceremony, not a rousing ovation. I’m about as ambivalent towards him as you can be. He was a great player, I’ll let others decide about the number being retired. The ring of honor is a given since he’ll be in the HOF in Canton. He stained himself permanently which is his right to do and the Packers temporarily w/ his behavior and antics.

      Big Irv rolled over in his grave at a lot of things his son did and said.

  • Rossoneri83

    Part of the problem at hand is the recency bias. The most recent memories we have color our perceptions of people. Obviously our most recent memories are of Favre in a purple jersey and in the news for making idiotic decisions. Had he left with the fairy tale ending with everything wrapped up in a bow, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    Of course, ill feelings towards Favre are justified. However, does he deserve a life sentence of banishment from the HOF or Packers HOF? I think not. He saved this franchise from two decades of abysmal football to making the playoffs a possibility each year (what some of you have conveniently termed “mediocrity”).

    Look at his whole body of work and tell me that in 1991 you’d wish the Packers traded up to get Dan McGwire or chose Todd Marinovich? Some of you are pretty harsh and may want to let the hatred finally go. It’s over. Move on. Favre is not a Jet, not a Viking, maybe a bad husband and D-bag, but he’s still one of the all-time Packers greats. It’s time to bury the hatchet.

  • http://www.lyrictrumpet.com Bearmeat

    Favre… meh. It’s too bad he was so insecure, because he was a top 15 all time QB for sure.

    But he definitely took a dump on the G logo on his way out of town and continued flinging poo for 3 more years.

    If I were in the stadium when he got his number retired, I’d politely clap for his contributions to the team. But no more than that.

  • JimR_in_DC

    Favre can go to hell

  • Al Borland’s Beard

    How about the 2015 season? They can dI it on the same day the current players are getting their championship rings.

  • Rossoneri83

    I AM NOT SAYING FAVRE IS THE GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER of all-time, but let’s use Michael Jordan as an comparison.

    Jordan retired not once but twice, then eventually came back and played for the Wizards. Not exactly a huge rival of the Bulls, but nevertheless, someone else.

    In addition, it is widely known that he likes to gamble and is a womanizer. And yet, he still enjoys a nearly designation as being untouchable. Obviously this is not an apples-to-apples comparison, but I think some interesting points can be drawn between the two guys.

    Favre’s transgressions have been much more widely reported in the media compared to Jordan’s. I’m sure many on here are not Bulls fans or could care less, but still it’s interesting how one is crucified and the other is not. Don’t get me wrong either, I have a ton of respect for Jordan, just thought some parallels could be drawn between the two.

    • Sven

      Favre burned his bridge, that is the differnece. At the end he really started challenging authority e.i. Randy Moss issue. He used his eventual retirement as leverage. In his unretirement in 2008, he showed that he felt he was more important than the team. He forced a media circus on the team to force his unconditional release.

      He was just abou the great player ever, for awhile, but his own actions tarnished his reputation.

      I wish we would stop retiring numbers, as on day it will be tough get a number on every player on the squad especially if roster sizes go up.

      I would cheer for him, maybe even be emotional. But I would also remember what a jerk he was at the end.

  • Nick

    Revisionist History! That’s all it is. Any NFL expert, ex=pro, fan from another team, or, non-Favre hater, call him one of the greatest players of all time. And for the majority of that run he was on our team.

    I don’t understand, and I guess will never understand why WE are the only ones who are putting down our past, our history, our player! We should be the ones overselling him to the rest of the World. That’s the way being a fan works. It’s so backwards its bewildering!

  • Nick

    And that comment is only aimed at those who are still disparaging his play, and his role in Packer history.

    Reading through the comments fully, there are a lot of us with smart, well thought out comments, and I commend you.

  • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

    Anybody who can do basic math should look back at the comments here, and look at the “likes” and “dislikes” of the various posts.

    If, after that, they still don’t understand that a large percentage of the fan base doesn’t think he deserves this honor then I can’t help them. It’s unfortunate that people are so hell-bent on giving this guy every possible honor don’t think that people who disagree with them have a legitimate point.

    Should he pay ANY penalty for his absolutely shameful conduct? No? Nothing? Yeah, that’s a nice message to send.

    One penalty. Number not retired, but placed in limbo alongside #5. He can have all the other honors.

    • Ed Schoenfeld

      Packernation, that is exactly what is being proposed.

      Numbers don’t get retired anymore, for exactly the reason Sven mentioned. Even Reggie only had his “jersey” retired — like Hornung and Lambeau.

      Effectively that’s **already been done** Who was the last player to wear #4 in a Packer uniform? During the regular season?

      The comparison people should be making is to Lambeau, who was also a figure whose final years in GB took place under a cloud — out-of-date coaching, losing records, a dispute about ownership, proposing to move the team to LA, womanizing, etc.

      But in the end we named a stadium after the team’s founder, because, you know, team’s founder.

      Favre will be a first-ballot HOF QB based mainly on his career in Green Bay, was at worst one of the top 3 players at his position in franchise history and top 20 or so in league history, won a Superbowl, and was one of two players who arguably made the franchise relevant to the modern NFL.

      Bring him back, put him in the Packers HOF, and put his number up on the wall.

      Because, you know, …

      • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

        Lambeau was honored after he died. If y’all are proposing that we wait until Favre dies, then that’s a lot different than “the sooner the better”.

  • Justin

    Yah he made a lot of mistakes in the way that he left but can you blame the guy he still wanted to play and can anyone here say they would turn down the money he made to play for a hated rival I bet not. I think it’s been long enough to forget about that stuff and honor his accomplishments and time as packer

  • the real russ letlow

    as usual, lots of comments on a BF article. Packers fans still have strong feelings on both sides. So, who divided us?

  • marpag

    It’s just not really an issue to me. He played in Green Bay and he did what he did. Everyone is free to love it or to hate it, or to debate endlessly about it. Having a cute little ceremony some day isn’t going to change anything, for better or for worse.

    The history has been written. No more history is still coming. If and when it works out, bring him to Green Bay, give him his green and gold Rolex, and then move on. We’ve got football games to play.

    • Ed Schoenfeld

      I’m with Marpag. It needs to be over.

  • BubbaOne

    Several aspects are being collapsed into one conversation. I don’t think ANY Packer fan is disputing Brett is a NFL and Packer HOF’er. One question to address is when is he inducted into the Packer HOF? I say the same year he makes the NFL HOF…a victory lap so to speak. Wouldn’t we look like chumps if the team honors Brett first and then he maligns TT and/or the Packer organization at the NFL induction? I bring this up b/c of Favre’s sordid past: drug addict, alcoholic, liar, annual retirement questions, and sexter who tried to undermine and malign the team who still to this very day hasn’t offered any real humility like “I’m sorry”.

    The other aspect is if and when should he join 3, 14, 15, 66, and 92. W/ Brett’s off the field history if we retire 4 then we should retire 5. And what about Willie Davis et al. Shouldn’t they come first. BTW-I felt the same way when we retired 92.

    Right now it’s too early to retire his number. If they did it this year or next and I was present I’d clap while booing the ceremony.

  • marpag

    Personally, I have always hated everything about the practice of retiring numbers. If you want to have a “ring of fame” or to hang someone’s jersey from the rafters, fine. Put their NAME up there and leave the number for someone else to use. I really look forward to the day when (for lack of available numbers) Green Bay quarterback #4-B takes the field, or when you really need a sack, there is #192 bursting off the corner.

    Here’s a list of how many numbers each team has retired.

    12 – CHI, SF
    11 – NYG
    10 – KC
    8 – DET, IND, PHI, STL
    7 – NE
    6 – MIN, TEN
    5 – ARI, CLE, GB, NYJ
    4 – ATL, SEA
    3 – MIA, SD
    2 – DEN, NO
    1 – BUF, CAR, CIN, PIT, TB, WAS
    0 – BAL, DAL, HOU, JAC, OAK

    It’s not just the number of retirees, it’s that a lot of them are kinda dumb, or at least not for football reasons.

    Seattle, being the cool, hipster people that they are, retired number 12 in honor of their fans, and also because their hell-hole of a stadium makes their fans seem loud.

    Chicago retired Brian Piccolo’s number due to the fact that he died, which is something that a lot of other players do, too.

    The Giants retired #4, so that no modern-day prima donna would trample on the greatness of Tuffy Leemans, a fullback who averaged 3.4 yards per carry and rushed for 17 TDs in 8 years. As a passer, he threw 32 INTs as opposed to 25 TDs. (Granted, this was a long time ago in the late 30s, early 40s, while other folks were getting killed in combat). But yeah, his number is retired.

    The JETS retired Joe Namath because he wore a fur coat and pantyhose. In 8 out of 13 years his completion percentage was less than 50%, and in no year was it more than 52.9%. In 13 years he appeared in 3 playoff games, and lost 1 of those. He has a career passer rating of 65.5, and threw an abysmal 220 INTs compared to 173 TDs. He also likes to get drunk and kiss Suzi Kolber. But hey, he’s “Broadway Joe,” and no one is going to wear his number.

    I’m not going to argue if people disagree with me, but I think the NFL should just ban the practice of retiring numbers.

    • Stroh

      Each team has their own criteria for retiring numbers. The Ring of Honor (for lack of a better name) is for players inducted into the Pro Football HOF. They retire numbers for only the very elite players in the organizations history (which is the way it should be).

      No sense getting worked up over the retiring of numbers. The Packers could easily have many more, but they are very selective, as opposed to other teams.

      • marpag

        I get that, and I don’t think that I’m really worked up about it. What I’m saying is that it means almost nothing to mean. It just seems kinda silly.

        For the record, both Namath and Leemans **ARE** Hall of Famers, which I think is absurd, and the retiring of their numbers is even more absurd. I seriously doubt that even Giants fans know who Tuffy Leemans is. Namath was an “average-plus” QB at best. Piccolo was never a good player, and was honored for dying of testicular cancer.

        After a while, it all just becomes kind of meaningless, and the longer we do it, the more meaningless it will seem.

        • BubbaOne

          Marpag,
          I’m w/ you. My comment above was addressing the forgone conclusion that the Packers will still retire numbers.

          I would prefer they do what they did w/ Clinton Dix. Give a player w/ high expectations a number of note…in his case #21. Tells him how much they think of his talent and puts responsibility on him to live up to Woodson’s legacy.

          I used to live in IL and stay connected to the Chicago community. The Bears w/ a 90 man roster and 12 retired numbers each year go through some gyrations trying to figure out what numbers to assign players. IIRC, they sometimes even give out a retired number to some camp body.

          The Vikings should retire #69. Not for Jared Allen but to acknowledge the “Love Boat” incident.

      • http://www.packernation.org PackerNation

        The Packers criteria for retiring numbers is not just “very elite”. The previous retirees all made huge contributions to the organization that transcended the field. And none of them ever acted dishonorably towards the organization.

  • Turophile

    look, the Favre divide is pretty easy to pigeonhole.

    The Favre supporters focus almost entirely on him as a player.

    The Favre detractors (me among them) focus on him as a person.

    which of the two sides you emphasise is a result of how you see him.