Well, I had a column about Michael Sam and his misguided decision to become a reality TV star ready to publish, but since Sam wisely chose to eschew his reality TV career for the time being, that column wouldn’t have made much sense.
So, it’s 8 p.m. on a Saturday night, the in-laws are on the couch watching the Marty Stuart show on something called RFD-TV, and I have to come up with something else to write about.
It might be kind of a cop out, but how about I take a look at the entire post-draft Packers roster and share some general thoughts?
Too boring, you say? Too bad, I say. The Marty Stuart show is almost over and I need to crank something out quickly.
I’ve copied and pasted Bob McGinn’s Packers depth chart from earlier this week in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. My thoughts on each position group will follow.
(Oh, and if you really wanted to read something about Michael Sam, Chad Toporski came out of retirement to write about him on Saturday for ALLGBP.com. Check it out.)
WR — Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis, Kevin Dorsey, Myles White, Jeff Janis, Chris Harper, Alex Gillett.
Until the end of 2011, the Packers had been fortunate with their injury luck at receiver. That luck appears to have run out. Greg Jennings was gimpy at the end of 2011 and into 2012. Nelson hobbled through 2012. Cobb wasn’t himself in the playoffs in 2012. Cobb and James Jones missed significant time in 2013.
If nothing else, the Packers three draft picks at receiver should provide some insurance in case of another injury outbreak. Longer term, if any of the three picks turns out to be a stud, it gives the Packers some leverage and flexibility with Nelson and Cobb hitting unrestricted free agency after this season.
Key training camp battle: Boykin vs. Adams for the No. 3 receiving job.
TE — Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Ryan Taylor, Richard Rodgers, Jake Stoneburner, Raymond Webber, Justin Perillo.
Who, if anybody, is going to emerge and provide a threat down the seam now that Jermichael Finley is likely gone? In my opinion, the only player with the speed and size to do it is Bostick, but he’s got a long ways to go and needs to improve his hands. Quarless showed signs of life late in 2013, but I don’t think he’s a down the seam type of tight end.
Key training camp battle: He needs to get through a tryout first, but what if Colt Lyerla makes it into camp and enters himself into the training camp battle royal?
T — Bryan Bulaga, David Bakhtiari, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Jeremy Vujnovich, Aaron Adams, John Fullington.
Mike McCarthy might as well move Bulaga back to the right side now that Bakhtiari has a year under his belt and looked promising. If Bulaga gets hurt again, Barclay has the experience at right tackle to step in.
Key training camp battle: Derek Sherrod vs. himself. If Sherrod flops in camp, he will reserve his spot next to Justin Harrell in the Ted Thompson first-round flop hall of fame.
G — Josh Sitton, T.J. Lang, Lane Taylor, Andrew Tiller, Jordan McCray.
No worries about Sitton and Lang. I do wonder if Barclay and newly drafted center Corey Linsley will see time at guard as well.
Key training camp battle: Sitton vs. Lang to see who can have the funniest quotes and tweets from training camp.
C — JC Tretter, Corey Linsley, Garth Gerhart.
I have nothing against Tretter — it sounds like he’s a talented and bright player. But on a team torn apart by injuries every season, it’s nerve-wrecking to open camp with a guy who snapped his ankle in a non-contact fumble-recovery drill as the leading candidate to snap the ball to Aaron Rodgers.
Key training camp battle: Tretter vs. Linsley. The Packers drafted an actual center for a change in Linsley. He’s an undersized mauler, so we’ll see what kind of fight he gives Tretter.
QB — Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, Chase Rettig.
Stay healthy, Aaron Rodgers.
RB — Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin, Michael Hill, Rajion Neal, LaDarius Perkins.
FB — John Kuhn, Ina Liaina.
This is probably the deepest the Packers have been at running back in the Favre/Rodgers era. Lacy is a legit No. 1. Starks was on turbo speed last season and is less prone to injury as a backup. Harris, aka the used car salesman, will be back and Franklin will try to rebound after a lost rookie season.
Key training camp battle: Harris vs. Franklin. I think the edge here goes to the used car salesman, but you never know how he’ll look post-knee injury.
DE — Josh Boyd, Datone Jones, Khyri Thornton, Jerel Worthy, Carlos Gray.
Wow, the Packers don’t have any proven defensive ends. Zip. Zero. Nadda. Someone has to step up here, preferably Jones since he appears to have the athleticism to get after the quarterback.
Key training camp battle: Thornton vs. Worthy. If Worthy loses, does he also lose his spot on the roster?
DT — Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Letroy Guion, Mike Pennel.
I like this group, mainly because Raji can’t play any worse than he did in the second half of last season. If Daniels is his usual disruptive self and Raji bounces back at least a little bit, this group should do the job.
Key training camp battle: Raji vs. Boyd. I don’t see Boyd so much as a defensive end. I think he’ll push Raji for snaps at the nose.
ILB — A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore, Victor Aiyewa, Jake Doughty, Joe Thomas.
Here is my bold prediction for the season: Sam Barrington will eventually beat out Brand Jones and have a breakout season. I wrote about Barrington after he was drafted and still have high hopes for the kid.
Key training camp battle: Jones vs. Barrington. Watch out, Jones. My man Barrington is coming for ya.
OLB — Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Carl Bradford, Andy Mulumba, Nate Palmer, Jayrone Elliott, Adrian Hubbard.
Peppers will probably move around and not play exclusively at OLB, but if he does line up outside, I wouldn’t mind seeing Matthews move around the formation a bit more.
Bradford seems like a mean SOB, something the Packers have missed since losing Desmond Bishop. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bradford get an opportunity to play inside as well.
Key training camp battle: Nick Perry vs. Mike Neal. Neither player is in danger of losing his roster spot, but precious snaps will be at stake for whoever emerges.
CB — Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Micah Hyde, Davon House, Jarrett Bush, Jumal Rolle, Demetri Goodson, Antonio Dennard, Ryan White.
Another deep group, especially if we get the Williams we got at the end of 2013. Hayward is coming back, Goodson is a wild card and Hyde has a year under his belt. Let’s play.
Key training camp battle: Hayward vs. Hyde. I’m sure Dom Capers will find ways to make sure both players get on the field, but there will still be a battle between these two to play in the slot.
S — Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo.
It can’t get any worse, can it?
Key training camp battle: Richardson vs. Banjo vs. someone not yet on the roster or Hyde. The Packers have to bring in another safety to make the battle for the No. 3 job a three-way dance, right? Or does Hyde take snaps at safety?
SPECIALISTS
K — Mason Crosby.
P — Tim Masthay.
LS — Brett Goode.
Will we get the Crosby of 2013 or the Crosby of 2012? Flip a coin, but it’ll probably be something in-between.
Packers News, Notes and Links
- Since the Packers are typically one of the most injured teams in the NFL, I thought it might make sense to compile the injury history of each Packers 2014 draft choice into one spot. Here’s what I came up with. Am I missing any injuries to any of the Packers new players?
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
Missed a month after having surgery to repair a torn meniscus suffered in the Iron Bowl loss late in the 2013-14 season to Auburn. Returned in time to play in Alabama’s January bowl game.
Davante Adams
Never missed a game due to injury.
Khyri Thornton
Missed final game of career with an undisclosed injury.
Richard Rodgers
Missed one game in 2012 with a sprained foot. Missed one game with a thumb injury in 2013. Limited in spring practice with a shoulder injury suffered during the 2012 season.
Carl Bradford
I couldn’t find much about Bradford’s injury history. Either he’s been perfectly healthy, or I didn’t look in the right places. Feel free to post in the comments section if Bradford missed any games.
Corey Linsley
Played all of 2012 with a foot injury that required surgery following the season. Missed both preseason camps in 2013 as he recovered from the foot surgery.
Jared Abbrederis
Missed all of one game and part of another with a concussion in 2012. Some reports indicate Abbrederis may have suffered three or four concussions in college. He says he only had one, and it wasn’t that bad. Abbrederis left a game against Northwestern in 2013 with a head injury. Left a game in 2013 against Iowa with a rib injury. Abbrederis also missed the senior bowl after suffering a hamstring injury in practice.
Demetri Goodson
Missed the last eight games with an ankle injury in 2011. Broke his arm and played in just four games in 2012. Missed two games in 2013 with another arm injury.
Jeff Janis
Didn’t miss a game in college. Did suffer a minor ankle sprain during Senior Bowl practices.
- John Rehor at Packerstalk.com wonders if expectations are too high for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Given the Packers recent run of injured and ineffective first round picks — Bryan Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry and Datone Jones — I hope we don’t set the bar too high for Dix.
- The Packers gave Oregon tight end Colt Lyerla a tryout. Here’s a Q&A with the troubled but talented player over at Cheesehead TV.
- Michelle Noyer-Granacki consistently turns out excellent Packers content over at BleacherReport.com. In this piece, she lays out how the Packers bolstered the receiving corp on the cheap using multiple draft picks. Remember, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb are unrestricted free agents this offseason.
- I’ve never been into jersey numbers, but a lot of people are. If you are one of those people, be sure to check this out from Acme Packing Co. on the history of Packers draft picks and jersey numbers.
- Opening day vs. Seattle is a long ways away, but his peek at Aaron Rodgers vs. Richard Sherman from LombardiAve.com will make you wish the game was happening tomorrow.
- Our own Kris Burke says the time is now for Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers to finally turn the defense around.
Non Packers links and other Nonsense
- When you hear about political correctness run amok, this should be Exhibit A.
- Is there any way to cut down on the number of promising young MLB pitchers who blow out their arms?
- There are some really dumb things in this piece. Yes, after having a kid it’s tougher to get together with friends or do the things you used to do, pre-kid. But it’s not as dire as this piece makes it out to be. With a little bit of effort, you can still maintain a pretty solid balance of being a parent, homebody, friend, and person who enjoys having fun outside of the home/family environment.
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Where it gets interesting is when you look at the numbers at each position that the Packers have carried out of camp in recent years. For instance: 5 WR. What about CB? We talk about the depth at those positions, but some of those guys will need to go…
I agree there is good competition to be on the roster at all of the position groups. The question is not just 5 or 6 WR, its 4 or 5 RB/FB, 4 or 5 TE (especially if Lyerla makes it), 8,9, or 10 OL, 6 or 7 DL, 9 or 10 LB, 9 or 10 DB, and even 2 or 3 QB (I don’t believe Tolzien has any practice squad eligibility left).
The Packers have about 65-70 players able to make an NFL roster somewhere. That goes on my list as a very good problem to have.
There’s players that the Packers had last year that wont be here this year. For example, I don’t see Janis or Abbrederis getting cut or put on the PS, they’d be claimed by another team IMO. Chris Harper, Myles White, Dosey, Stoneburner, even the TE Taylor could be cut this year. Lyerla played special teams one year I’d read and had 11 or 12 tackles. They brought in the RB Neal, who’s spot he take assuming he’d make it. I could see them cutting Harris, might not be popular but I could see it. With Neal it makes you wonder about Franklins neck, how’s that recovery going? Lots of questions to sort through. I’m sure there’s more but I only remember a few players that were cut soon after they were drafted, at least recently. Ricky Elmore didn’t make it to week one, Manning was cut a year after being drafted, same with D.J. Smith but that was after a injury. It will be a hell of a camp with a talented team ready to play week one. I still think TT picks up a veteran center at some point too.
It feels to me like we can exp[ect an average of about 1 draft pick to not make the roster, and probably 2-3 UDFA get onto the 53. Once you include Peppers, that is a notional turnover of 11-13 guys.
In addition to your ‘nominees’ for the Turk, I think Palmer and Mulumba may be cut, and I have to think Banjo is the low man among the DBs. And that is all before any surprises ambush guys like Bush or Brad Jones or (something I think is more likely next year than this) John Kuhn.
I think McGinn has a mistaken notion about the D-line will work. From his depth chart you would think that if the season started today the starting D-line in the base defense would be Boyd, Datone Jones and Daniels.
That cant be right, because Daniels is not a nose tackle, he is a hybrid DE/DT. He shouldn’t really even be in the mmix at NT, except that the ‘hybrid’ is usually the sole DL on the field on 3rd and long (dime defense).
But in *base* (1st and 10), in a strict 3-4-4 oer even 3-3-5, the DLine starters *right now* would be Daniels, Jones and *Raji* at NT. Boyd can play all 3 positions and may win starting snaps during camp, but he can get those by rotating in at all the positions to keep the other guys fresh. Worthy should be able to do the same if he stays healthy, and Thornton will be learning that multiple position. The only other real NTs on the roster are Guion and Pennel.
Regarding safety, I think its a mistake not to think of Hyde on the depth chart there. In today’s pass happy league you really need to think of your top 6 DBs as divided into 3 positions, and you need to get your best 6 on the field:
2 ‘outside corners’: GB has Shields and Williams, with house as a backup
2 ‘Deep Safeties’: GB has Burnett and Clinton-Dix with (God help us, Richardson as the backup
2 ‘Slot CB-Safeties:’ GB has Hayward and Hyde with (God help us even more) Jarret Bush as the back-up.
Because we are so thin at the ‘deep safety’ and ‘Slot DB positions, I think it makes sense to cross-train Hyde and even Hayward for the deep safety spot.
I look at Richardson as really being more of a SS than FS, which means that he would be better suited to play Burnett’s position than CF (although the S positions in the Packer defense are somewhat interchangeable). That means that Hyde and Dix would likely be the ones playing deep.
Yes, that is one of the issues I see with Richardson In a way he seems to be a pure SS — the kind of tackler/run stopper who is better closer to the LOS and in the current NFL is sort of a disappearing specialist role like a true FB on offense.
Hence my ‘God help us’ emotions and the perceived need to cross train Hyde as a ‘true’ safety instead of just a ‘slot’ guy.
I would be Ok with the above personnel with Goodson making the team as a developmental player. I’d be even happier if Goodson could develop quickly enough (or Richardson become versatile enough) to replace Bush. 🙂
At Vandy Richardson was little more than a LB. The only thing he really did was play as a box Safety. His experience playing like a traditional Safety or in deep coverage was completely lacking. He has terrific measurable tho, better than Clinton-Dix or Burnett. He definitely has the physical talent to become a starting Safety, but he has to show that he is capable of playing in coverage, but man and deep zone.
Richardson needs to learn and gain experience in all forms of coverage, since he did almost none in college.
Thanks for the info. I’ll shift my thinking about Richardson.
Dix would be the likely deep safety if he’s on the field w/ Burnett, at least for now. But if Burnett and Hyde are the safeties, I would play Burnett deep and Hyde as more of a SS. Hyde’s skills translate better closer to the LOS, where his tackling and man cover skills are more useful.
First and foremost, let’s celebrate the fact Ted sounds like he wants to stick around until AR retires. Everybody in the NFC North just popped a bottle of bubbly. Take a look at the depth chart above…..need I say more? ILB, TE, DE, S, KR. Like Al says, stay healthy Aaron.
I think Ed pretty much nailed the football points, so I’ll just talk make a non-football point on the PC article: everyone involved in the camel on campus incident has better things to do with their time. They should be thinking about the Packers.
Good stuff, I wish camp would start this week…this post draft period is torture. I’m already tired of Aaron Rodgers and Olivia Munn stories but if I were his agent, I’d say lock that one up, long term. She checks all the boxes 🙂
Why is it that everyone is so concerned about having a seam threat at TE? Yes we used to need it, but that was before we had a running game. With Lacy in the backfield, a deep seam threat at TE is far from necessary, its a luxury. When we didn’t have a running game it was important to keep the safeties and LB occupied. They’ll now be occupied better by having a running game than w/ what a TE would do. IMO its more important now to have a TE that is a reliable receiver and good blocker.
Having Lacy in the backfield to provide a dangerous running threat will hold the LB and bring a Safety closer to the LOS and allow us to face a lot more single high looks than we ever did before Lacy arrived. The focus now should be to find a dual use TE that can play a traditional TE next to the OT but also split out, even if he can’t threaten the seam in the same way.
Which BTW is the reason for the Rodgers pick at TE. He has the potential to be a very good dual use TE.
Good observation. It seems to me that TE has gotten almost as complicated as DBs — There are ‘in-line’ guys (not too many any more), In-line and short area receivers (Quarless and now Rodgers for the Pack), deep seam threats (Finley when he was here, now Bostick and Stoneburner) and ‘move’ TE-HBack blockers (Ryan Taylor on GB)).
The ‘deep seam’ guys are almost in the same role as ‘big’ slot receivers. So I tend to agree with your conclusion, but my reasons are as much because of Boykin and Davante Adams as Lacy. Yes, Boykin and Adams aren’t as tall as some, but they seem to catch what is thrown near them. At least I hope Adams can keep doing that in the pros.
One reason Lyerla is so interesting is because he seems to be able to do all three roles (in-line, split, and H-back). Seems like I read somewhere Lyerla actually had carries from the H-back role, which would be a trip and a half for opposing defenses (They had 3WR and 2TE and after motion it’s a *run*????).
I know I am dreaming of a gadget play there, but I do hope Lyerla can get his life together and make the team.
I don’t think it’ll be much of a competition at CB between Hayward and Hyde. Hayward will be the nickel slot CB and Hyde will likely be a dime CB, who I think will be more of a Safety this year than a true CB.
It would be wise to include House in the discussion even tho he won’t be asked to play in the slot, he could become the 4th CB on the field if he gets a little more consistent.
Agree about Hayward. Assuming he returns to full health (and there’s no reason to assume otherwise), Hayward’s rookie year was far and away better than Hyde’s.
I do like Hyde as a player, and he was a very good value where he was selected in the draft, but I would have to say that a good number of Packer fans are overrating his level of play.
Ed’s comments above were right on.
This defense will see a huge improvement with Hayward back on the field. In my opinion, he’s the other impact player to go with CM3. Before usual naysayers talk about “half of those interceptions were thrown right to him”, keep in mind that he needed to be in the right spot for that to happen.
Thanks, WKUPackFan.
I am looking for great play from Hayward, too.
Number 1 training camp battle is Tretter v. Linsley, IMHO. I am pleased TT drafted Linsley to provide competition. Lots of depth at quite a few position groups. I have some concern at NT (and some at DE and to a lesser extent DT), but many on this site have assured me that Raji will be rejuvenated. We will see if Boyd or Pennel get more snaps in camp. I hope they find a way to get Bradford on the field. I agree that he is fierce: he looks like a football player to me.
Sorry no one commented on your reference to Barrington at ILB. I am sure that many of your readers will keep closer tabs on him, though.
Here is my way too early 2014 roster prediction. Thoughts?
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien
WR : Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis,
FB: John Khun
RB: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin
TE: Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Colt Lyerla, Richard Rodgers
OL: David Bahktiari, Josh Sitton, JC Tretter, TJ Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linslay
DL: Josh Boyd, Datone Jones, Khyri Thornton, Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Letroy Guion, Jerel Worthy
ILB: A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore,
OLB: Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Carl Bradford (ILB?), Andy Mulumba, Adrian Hubbard (ILB?)
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, , Davon House, Demetri Goodson
S: Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Micah Hyde (Dime CB)
Practice Squad:
QB: Chase Rettig
WR: Kevin Dorsey, Jeff Janis
RB: LaDarius Perkins.
OL: Garth Gerhart
DL: Carlos Gray
ILB: Joe Thomas
CB: Jumal Rolle
Edit!!
Forgot the specialists.
K — Mason Crosby.
P — Tim Masthay.
LS — Brett Good
So I would cut Mulumba, Put Goodson on the PS instead of Rolle, and as much as it hurts to say it cut John Khun.
Lyerla on the 53 before he’s even offered a contract?
I did say it was a way too early prediction. That being said, I can’t see them not at least offering him a contract to get him in training camp.
Actully its a 55 man roster.
You need to make 2 more curts.
Good luck deciding. 🙂
53 man active roster:
QB: Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien (3)
WR : Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Jarrett Boykin, Davante Adams, Jared Abbrederis, (5)
RB: Eddie Lacy, James Starks, DuJuan Harris, Johnathan Franklin (4)
FB: John Khun (1)
TE: Andrew Quarless, Brandon Bostick, Colt Lyerla, Richard Rodgers (4)
OL: David Bahktiari, Josh Sitton, JC Tretter, TJ Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Don Barclay, Derek Sherrod, Corey Linslay (8)
DL: Josh Boyd, Datone Jones, Khyri Thornton, Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Letroy Guion, Jerel Worthy (7)
ILB: A.J. Hawk, Brad Jones, Sam Barrington, Jamari Lattimore, (4)
OLB: Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Carl Bradford (ILB?), Adrian Hubbard (ILB?) (6)
CB: Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, , Davon House, (4)
S: Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Sean Richardson, Micah Hyde (Dime CB) (4)
Specialists: K : Mason Crosby Long Snapper: Brette Goode Punter: Ginger Wolverine (3)
Practice Squad:
QB: Chase Rettig
WR: Kevin Dorsey, Jeff Janis
RB: LaDarius Perkins.
OL: Garth Gerhart
DL: Carlos Gray
ILB: Joe Thomas
CB: Demitre Goodson
As I suspected
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014/5/19/5732172/packers-sign-colt-lyerla-to-contract-after-rookie-camp-tryout
Way too early to mean much. Its a list generated by name recognition, past achievement in very different circumstances, and some wishing. I kind of see people as blank slate, and let them prove from that, rather than pre-conceived expectations. Odds are in your favor based on bias toward 2014 draftee by round, and the FA signings, but I’ll root for the unknowns just fine.
Really hope they put Bradford at ILB. I’m not sure he’s long enough to be effective on the outside where all the OT’s in front of him are going to have arms that are 5 inches longer than his. Capers loves trying to turn everyone into an OLB but they don’t need 10 OLB’s on the team.
Packers need an ILB that can run around and make tackles. Bradford appears to be an animal on the field so he’ll fit there well. Plus, he has a pass rush which is something else they’re lacking inside.
I really like Bradford as a player. Just hope they use him right.
Re: Colt Lyeria
Today on 1250am milwaukee, Gary Ellerson stated that during the three day rookie camp, the coaches were “all over” Colt Lyeria. When asked to expand on that, he said the coaches and training staff had to continually ride Lyeria to get him to hustle and get him moving… all the time.
As one of the other guys stated- “Dude, if you are in camp as a TRY OUT PLAYER, and guys have to harp on you to show some HUSTLE.. that’s not a good thing.”
Ellerson agreed, but did concede that when Lyeria ran, he looked the part, and when Richard Rodgers runs, he LOOKS like he ran a 4.8-4.9 40.. apparently, Rodgers isn’t one of those guys who plays faster than he clocked, and Lyeria’s athletic ability really underscored that fact in comparison.
It will be interesting to see what the Packers do with Lyeria. With all the red flags, to have a try out player slacking could easily be grounds for ‘take a hike’, regardless of the talent.
LoL, I just after I post this, I see the MJS article posted at 5:54 stating the packers signed Lyeria.
Lol.
Oppy, the other embarrassment is it’s ‘Lyerla’ lol.