Can Bishop, Peprah and Shields Build on Their 2010 Seasons?

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  1. Chazman
    July 22, 2011

    I think that Peprah and Bishop will pick up where they left off, mostly because they’ve experienced multiple off seasons and preseasons and know what its like to ride the bench. Shields I think is hurt most by this lockout because he’s missed a very valuable opportunity to build on what has been an impressive start.
    The good news is that we have a great coaching staff that teaches as well as coaches so hopefully (Super Bowl victory and massive neck tattoos aside) all three will take the next step and solidify their place in the starting lineup.

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  2. Ed Schoenfeld
    July 22, 2011

    Adam, great article as usual. I will vary from your take on 2 points:

    1) Shields 2010 expectations were more like “a long term project to convert from WR who might provide added depth.” Pat Lee was going to be the nickle back going in to camp — he did not so much lose that job as shields won it by a spectacular performance in camp. There was no ‘won the job by default’ involved.

    2) If Capers isn’t scheming on his team provided ipad *while* sitting in the car I’ll ear my team logo t-shirt.

    Cannot wait! Re=Peat!

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    • Adam Czech
      July 22, 2011

      Good point on Shields. I remember asking myself how a team w/ Super Bowl aspirations can start an undrafted rookie w/ minimal CB experience in the defensive backfield. That’s where my “won the job by default” mindset came from.

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      • Michalske
        July 22, 2011

        Its easy to overlook Lee’s coverage skills (the PAck’s problems in 2009 came in large part because he was not there to step in as the nickle after Al Harris went down and tramon got promoted.) Likewise, Bush is actually adequate as the 5th or 6th corner — the problems start when he s on the field defending on 50% of the snaps. Shields is a rare talent both physically (speed) and mentally (learning curve). He may have been the most important addition to last year’s team, if only for the way his presence freed up Woodson to be such a beast on overall defense. Shields will be challenged by the long layoff, but I hope he can keep developing this year.

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  3. Darbles
    July 22, 2011

    What blows my mind is that it took so long to get Bishop on the field. I was happy as hell when Barnett went down, I had been sick of him for the last 3 years. Bishop had always shown that he could play, but was never given the opportunity….WHY!!!??? It’s frustrating to me that we had to have a great talent like him get an opportunity because of an injury. Winston Moss is a terrible evaluator of talent….thank God all he has to do is coach MLB’s…nobody can screw that up now with all the guys we have under contract. Bye Bye Barnett…..take your imaginary sword and fang mouthguard to another city. Thanks again for 4th and 19 vs. the Eagles….you should have gotten depth you bum.

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    • FireMMNow
      July 22, 2011

      4th and 26.

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    • Oppy
      July 22, 2011

      The thing to remember about Desmond Bishop not getting his chance sooner is….

      He did get his chance. Chances, actually.

      More than once he was put in games, and while he’d make a TFL or lay the wood on a guy one play, he’d also completely blow and assignment the next.

      Bishop’s on the field play was directly responsible for his not taking a starting job or getting more playing time earlier in his career.

      All the coaches saw his talent in camp each year. They also saw a talented player blow his real-world opportunities during the season each year.

      Getting beat is one thing, missing a tackle is one thing. The mental errors, however, no DC is going to tolerate because they won’t feel they can rely on you. Luckily, Bishop got it together and played great last season. Good for him.

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      • Jersey Al
        Jersey Al
        July 22, 2011

        Right on the mark as usual, Oppy – Bishop was given chances and would always do something dumb to keep the coaches in having full confidence in putting him out there on a regular basis. It all came come together for him this season and he should never look back.

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      • Lucas
        July 23, 2011

        Bishop was given chances with previous coaching. The hidden strength of this team is the coaching. I wonder if Nick would have improved had his attitude not kept his ears closed. Bishop, hungry, took to Dom and his coaching staff.

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  4. FireMMNow
    July 22, 2011

    Peprah scares me. The reason is he is just limited athletically. He made some big plays, but go lucky not to give up two huge plays in the playoffs. Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace got behind him by 8 yards in the post season. A completion on either of those relatively easy throws could have ended the packers run. I expect Burnett to be starting after the bye week. I like Peprah, I just think Burnett has more tools and just needs the experience.

    Bishop is a good player. He needed a chance and some time where he did not have to look over his shoulder. In years past it seemed like he was the 8th player off the bench in basketball. He felt like he needed to make a play in the 90 seconds of playing time he got and usually pressed too hard and gave up the big play. Behind Woodson he is the most instinctive defender on the team. IMO.

    Shields is just so fast and athletic that it will be hard for him to regress too far. He can make up for a lot of mistakes with that speed. He will make some head scratching plays, but will be a good player for a long time.

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    • Oppy
      July 22, 2011

      I could conceivably see Dom Capers using 3 safeties in certain nickle packages to utilize the talent we have there.

      Let’s say the 1-5-5 (assuming we have a DE/DT who can play the role half as well as Jenkins does). Burnett and Collins are your true safeties, and perhaps Capers can cast Peprah as an in-the-box safety in one of the LB’s positions.

      Peprah is physical enough to engage in run support fairly well and has better coverage skills than our LBs..

      There could be interesting uses for Peprah even if Burnett takes over the starting role.. Not to mention, if Dom does get creative with 3 safeties, Burnett could be turned loose on a field (much like his college days) if an assignment sure Peprah is in the back field.

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      • Michalske
        July 22, 2011

        We effectively have 3 safeties in the 2-4-5 formation we used so much last season, except of course the ‘safety in the box’ role was taken by Woodson. Peprah is OK at most safety tasks and he is an outsdandingly diosciplined tackler. I am fine with him on the team, though as you say he should be a backup after Burnett fully recovers.

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    • Jersey Al
      Jersey Al
      July 22, 2011

      Peprah doesn’t scare me, but he is shaky in downfield coverage. His biggest contributions last season were delivering some message-sending hits on WRs and running backs. He’s a useful sub. Burnett needs to improve his hitting, but can drink peprah under the table, talent-wise.

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  5. Darbles
    July 22, 2011

    Is anybody else amazed at how many people are ripping on Shields for his tattoo?? I think it’s great. I would rather have that tattoo on his neck, showing team pride, than a super man tattoo on the arm or “GODS GIFT” on the triceps. Come on, he’s a young kid that got a tattoo. It’s on his neck….so what?? Time for everyone to just relax. In a way, it’s kind of racist for everyone to be jumping on Sam and ripping on him. Nobody says anything about our terrible Right Guard having his arms all tatted up…..oh…..because it’s on his arms and he’s white??? Come on people.

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    • FireMMNow
      July 22, 2011

      i have no problem with the neck tattoo. I would have a problem if he went tramp stamp with the ring, but no issue with the neck tattoo. I just hope Shields earns plenty of money over his career so he does not have to try to get another job. But I agree Darbles, much better than getting his own initials, morphed inside of his area code, inside of the names of his seven illigetimate kids.

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      • Ron LC
        July 23, 2011

        Yep – just looking to the future. There’s a big demand in the Carnival Side Show business.

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  6. Darbles
    July 22, 2011

    I meant Left Guard…..Colledge….sorry about that…

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    • Adam Czech
      July 22, 2011

      If tattoos bother someone, they probably should not be following sports in this day and age.

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  7. Adam Czech
    July 22, 2011

    This is probably my all-time favorite tattoo. It’s hard to tell, but it’s a Thanksgiving dinner tattooed on this guy’s belly :)

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  8. Jeff Query (White Lightning)
    July 22, 2011

    I agree with FireMMNow…..Bishop has a great feel for the game. I have liked Peprah for a while, and love that they resigned him. He adds great depth and has proven that he can start in the NFL and make plays. He is tough vs. the run, and there isn’t a Safety in the NFL that hasn’t had some plays where guys get behind him. Call it luck….but the guy stood up all year and we made it to the Super Bowl with him. Burnett could have the edge on Peprah, but I don’t think it’s going to be easy.

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    • FireMMNow
      July 22, 2011

      Like I said, I like Peprah, but just to excuse the Desean Jackson and Mike Wallace plays as “it happens to everyone” is not good enough for me. I guarantee that if the Big Ben and Vick had made the throws they will make 70% of the time everyone would have a different feeling about Peprah. He is a decent player, but I think the Packers caught lightning in a bottle with him and I see him as the guy that would most likely regress.

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  9. Jeff Query (White Lightning)
    July 22, 2011

    Holy crap….it was 4th and 26….that’s almost impossible. Jue, Sharper and Anderson were also a day late on that coverage….but Barnett never got depth. He sat on a little crossing route….ugh……that should have been another trip the Super Bowl that year. How does that happen??

    Me and the Majik Man and Tony Bennett and Bryce Paup would never have allowed that to happen….right boys???

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    • FireMMNow
      July 22, 2011

      The key to that statement is two words – Jue and Anderson.

      Those two had no business seeing the field in a playoff game. Horrible players.

      Then you throw in Sharper and Barnett, the two players that I would pick to be selfish and choke a key play away and you have a conversion of 4th and 26.

      The other part that stings is Freddie Mitchell made the catch. That was the only meaningful play that loud mouthed waste of space made in his entire career.

      Put that and Brett Favre throwing the pick in OT to the Giants as my worst packer memories.

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      • jOe
        July 22, 2011

        Worst Packer memory, playoff game vs. the Rams. Do I need to say more?

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    • Jersey Al
      Jersey Al
      July 22, 2011
  10. Rick
    July 22, 2011

    It was suppossed to be a cover 2 blitz but Sherman changed the play and the WR split the crease. Barnett was where he was supposed to be…. Sharper however was trying to spy and thinking a pick 6 possibility. Becaus eof this he was late coming over form the safety spot and the WR was tackled at 26 yrds instead of 17. Sherman’s fault for changing the play and Sharper’s for for being out position.

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    • Michalske
      July 22, 2011

      Horrible memory but great description. I was way less bothered by Barnett playing the underneath route as the safties horrible position beyond the first down yardage.

      I didn’t previously have the twist about Sharper playign for a pick. There are times when good defense requires players to give up their chance gaining individual statistics to make sure of a stop. Hope Shields and Tramon learn that this year — too many chances taken running back INTs when taking a knee would seal a win.

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  11. BubbaOne
    July 22, 2011

    Like AJ Hawk, I put Peprah in the “Steady Eddie” catagory; assignment sure, not flashy, and does the little things to get job done. Al McGuire used call these players a “cement mixer”. In SB XLV Peprah is in the conversation for Defensive MVP after leading the team in tackles.

    Sidebar for Shields: I still would like to see MM have a sub pckg. for Shields at WR. His speed would create even more havoc for opposing D’s than the weapons we already have.

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    • FireMMNow
      July 22, 2011

      NOOOO! Just sign Ricardo Lockette as a UDFA and cut swain. Now you have your speed. Let Shields do exactly what he is doing.

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      • Tarynfor 12
        July 23, 2011

        Agree on Lockette but I have to toss the name Lester Jean,Fla Atl in the UDFA signing at WR.

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    • Thomas Hobbes
      Thomas Hobbes
      July 22, 2011

      lol, just put Shields in for Swain and tell him to run in a straight line. Sooner or later the defense will stop bothering with Shields and that when you bomb it to him.

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  12. aaronqb
    July 23, 2011

    I think the Packer coaching staff’s expectations for Shields were higher than what you indicate here. Joe Whitt attended Miami’s pro day and came back with a first round grade on Shields. He was impressive as a DB in camp from day 1. And, I also don’t believe he “won the nickle job by default”. He beat out Underwood and Lee, both of whom were being considered for the job. He also was partly responsible for Harris’ release.

    I expect Shields to grow into an elite NFL CB, though the lockout may have delayed it a bit. He has unbelievable closing speed and reminds me on Deion Sanders in that regard. He just needs reps and coaching.

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  13. Ron LC
    July 23, 2011

    Easy answer – more time will equal better players. Assuming they don’t suffer from Carnius Expandus.

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